Here is the tapes released by the Ukraine Security Service on 18th July which they say were recordings of separatists on the morning of 17th July.
If these tapes are to be believed then the Ukraine Security Service knew for certain that on the morning of 17th July:
1. the separatists had at least one BUK system;
2. the separatists near Marinovka already had a BUK system.
So why did they not alert civilian air traffic control?
BUKs can hit a target at well over 20Km altitude and fly to hit their target for 40Km. MH17 was at 10Km altitude.
And here is another question:
A woman on Zello described herself as being in Oktyabr when she saw a missile fly over her head. She identified the direction of the launch site as Saurivka. But this Oktyabr is actually the village identified as Chervonyi Zhovten on Google Maps that a Reuters reporter recently visited and made stuff up about witnesses seeing missiles. And not only that, Saurivka is SSW of Chervonyi Zhovten but the proposed launch site is east of Chervonyi Zhovten!!!
But this makes it possible that if, repeat if, MH17 was shot down by a BUK then it was shot down by the BUK system at Marinovka, because Marinovka is just 8 Km from Saurivka. But if so then how did the photographer north of Torez see the alleged vapour trail?
And why did the many Kiev Nazis trapped in that area not see the vapour trail?
So again, contradictions, contradictions, contradictions galore.
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