PLUMES OF SMOKE ON 17TH JULY 2014

Currently there are 3 proposed launch sites of the missile that allegedly shot down MH17:
1. Chernukuino, proposed by the Kiev Nazis of The Ukraine Security Services based on alleged intercepts of phone calls;
2. a field 5 Km south of Shnizhne, proposed by Belling Cat, RTL Nieuws, Ukraine@War, and others, based on geolocation and some photographs of a plume of smoke;
3. a field 3 Km north of Shnizhne, proposed by Correctiv and Der Spiegel based on eyewitnesses.

Last week I modelled the movement of the plume of smoke from the launch site proposed in 2. above, and varied the wind speed and time of photograph, and consequently expressed my doubts about the authenticity of the photographs used in 2. based on the timescales given.

Here is what the photographer said in an interview with RTL Nieuws:

Can you explain what you experienced on July 17th?
"That day did not foretell anything special would happen. In the morning I woke up and went to my work. At four ó clock in the afternoon I arrived home. And at 16:20 we heard an explosion. The first explosion was not very heavy. 15 seconds later, something like that, there was a second explosion, which was louder and it made the windows shake."

What did you do when you heard the explosion?
"Explosions were no exception anymore. But this was totally different, that explosion. It did not sound like anything we heard before. I immediately wanted to look where the sound came from. What had exploded? Where? What? How? I ran to the covered balcony. I looked around en saw nothing.

I photographed that white trail in the air. At that moment I did not know what it meant. For me it was just a white trail: from the horizon up into the clouds where it diverged. Only after a while it became clear what it was."

How much time was there between the explosion and the photo?
"That was a minute after the explosions, I think. Maybe even less, something like 30 seconds."

We can assume that the first explosion was MH17 bursting into flames from whatever hit it, and the second explosion was MH17 hitting the ground.

Note that the photographer says that it could be as little as 30 seconds after the explosions, i.e. the second explosion when MH17 hit the ground, that the now infamous photograph of the plume of white smoke was taken.

OK?

So let's assume that it took 15 seconds from launch for the missile to hit MH17 (assuming that MH17 was hit by a SAM such as a BUK). This is the first explosion heard by the photographer. Then a further 15 seconds for MH17 to hit the ground, the second explosion heard by the photographer. And then 30 seconds for him to take the photograph. So by the time the photographer takes the photograph a minute has elapsed since launch.

What would a plume of smoke look like a minute after launch in that area on that day?

Well we can see!!!!

Because someone working in a mine a few Kms west of Torez videoed the crash.

Here is that video. It lasts just short of a minute but starts just as MH17 hits the ground. That should give a good idea as to how far a plume of smoke would move on that day: the crash site and proposed launch site were about 6 miles apart.



Now contrast that with the photograph below which shows a plume moving from a field several Kms away.



This is just my opinion but the plume in the photograph appears to have moved much further from its source than the plume in the video.

Not very scientific I know, but we have on video a timescale of a minute to show approximately what a plume of smoke would look like a minute after its creation. And as I said last week, I am not convinced. The photographer could have his times wrong?

And also note that the video was filmed several Kms west of Torez. The white plume of smoke in the photograph would be very visible to the men making that video but they apparently do not see it...just like everyone else in the area at that time. But it just so happens that someone connected to the Ukraine Security Service takes a photograph of the plume. Hmmm...